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hello my name is David I received your

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contact information through a mutual

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acquaintance who assures me that you are

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well equipped to investigate peculiar

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problems for the past six months I have

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been living in a rule located on the

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border of West Virginia in Kentucky

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where my family is nightly assaulted by

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creatures that I have come to believe

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an extraterrestrial knowledge these

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beings appear to be the size and stature

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of a small child devoid of any facial

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features save the large

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mouths they frighten my children by

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peering through their bedroom windows

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sure couldn't one another I believe that

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they are coming from an abandoned mine

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located on the edge of my property well

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I am honored to afraid that I'm far too

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frightened to enter the mine but once I

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can guarantee you evidence of these

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creatures which I assure you were not

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one of them please respond ASAP this is

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somewhere in the skies inspired

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and now let's get to this week's guest

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and talk about Carl Pfeiffer has always

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been passionate about the mysterious

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uncanny and supernatural in the world

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around him

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in 2009 he won the first season of

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Syfy's Ghost Hunters Academy and went on

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to appear on Ghost Hunters International

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while serving as the resident paranormal

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investigator of colorado's famously

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haunted Stanley Hotel he directed and

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edited the webseries spirits of the

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Stanley and conducted 250 investigations

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on the property he is also a portrait

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and conceptual photographer based out of

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Northern Colorado a freelance filmmaker

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and he's the author of two fiction books

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today we're going to talk about his

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latest investigative documentary series

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Helier in 2012 paranormal investigator

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frightened man named David who claimed

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that small humanoid creatures were

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emerging from a long abandoned mineshaft

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on his rural Kentucky property after

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enduring a series of nightly assaults by

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the strange entities David shared a

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collection of stunning photographs of

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three-toed footprints and even the

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creatures themselves then David

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disappeared in the years that followed

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the case only became stranger for

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Newkirk and his wife Dana as they

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fielded more emails for mysterious

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figures and tracked down historical

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leads from Appalachian locals then in

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2017 prompted by an impossible

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synchronicity director Carl Pfeiffer and

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fellow investigator Conor Randall

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rendezvous with Greg and Dana to unravel

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the dangling threads of the mystery once

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and for all they travel into the shadows

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of the Appalachian Mountains to the

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source of it all where a Jew in doing

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town named Helier buries its secrets in

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the ancient caverns deep beneath ear

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aided by reluctant locals cutting-edge

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Paris psychological methods and a trail

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of breadcrumbs left by occultists and

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UFO researchers decades before the

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investigators uncover a mystery with

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frightening and far-reaching

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implications the phenomena is bigger

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than Heller and someone or something has

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noticed them Carl thank you so much

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again for joining me on somewhere in the

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skies yeah thanks for having me man

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it has been a while my friend I remember

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having you on very early on in the

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inception days of somewhere in the skies

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so this is it's come full circle I can't

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wait man it really has it really has

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yeah so I mean before we even get to why

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you're actually here you know we're

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gonna cover episodes one in two of

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Hellyer your new documentary series

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which I recently got to watch the first

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two episodes oh man I will get into it

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so I'm just as in the dark as everyone

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else about where this journey is sort of

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leading you so we're gonna cover

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episodes wanted to and then I'm gonna

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have you know sort of your focal points

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of Hell you're on later this month Greg

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and Dana but for those who may not be

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familiar with your personal work can you

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maybe sort of run us through your

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investigative career how you got

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involved with the paranormal the origin

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story my superhero issue one yeah I mean

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I grew up always fascinated with the

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mysterious and the paranormal and the

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creepier side of the world it's just

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always been with me for whatever reason

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so you know always had those sort of

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like kids versions of the paranormal

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books and watching Ghostbusters and and

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sightings and unsolved mysteries and

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then of course the ghost centers crazy

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school in college so I started dipping

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my toes into those early investigative

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team scenarios back in those days and it

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was shortly after that it was after my

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my sophomore year at college that Ghost

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Hunters Academy the spin-off TV show

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from the ghost Cyrus franchise was

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getting started and I kept my ear to the

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ground on the Internet a lot those days

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and I heard they were

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thing for a new Ghost Center show

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featuring college kids so I dropped my

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name in a couple of places and shot off

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some emails got a call back looking for

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a video and next thing I knew I was I

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was on that first season of the show

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which I want alongside Susan slaughter

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and this is it's weird it's getting

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weird to talk about that that's ten

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years ago this time now I know 2009 that

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was only like three years ago right but

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yeah one that one did an episode with

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Ghost Hunters International went back to

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college after never got called back to

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that again worked for five years up at

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the Stanley Hotel eating their weekly

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paranormal investigations and so by the

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end of that I had done around 250

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investigations up there on the property

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and towards the end of my time up there

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with them my self and Connor Randall who

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also makes an appearance quite regularly

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and produced Helier with me we were both

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working on a webseries called spirits of

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the Stan Lee that one for a couple of

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weeks and after that it's been a lot of

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back and type research and juggling the

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Hollywood world until Helier kind of

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poked its head up and that's become my

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life for the last year and a half been

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poking its head out is a good way to put

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it man it was like poking pointing I

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want to get to pointy pointy little ears

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is when I specifically want the kid to

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before we even get to like how Helier

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came about so for those who sort of need

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like a crash course on the original sort

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of case that inspired Helier and kind of

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set you guys off on this journey could

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you maybe run us through the

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Hopkinsville Goblin case this is one of

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my favorite cases so I'd love to hear

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sort of your interpretation of it and

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how it eventually got you connected to

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this current investigation yeah the

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Hopkinsville case really serves as kind

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of a prologue you know almost the cold

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open in a kind of way that despite not

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actually being the cold open on Hellyer

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in a linear narrative kind of sense very

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much was the precursor and in some ways

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back in 1955 there was

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a very kind of poor family we're living

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in this farmhouse in rural Eastern sorry

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Western Kentucky and this UFO might have

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crashed near the firehouse there was a

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couple reports from police officers

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earlier in the night people driving

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around that saw like a fireball type UFO

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going through the sky

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later that night one of the people at

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the farmhouse there was like I think

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three or four adult males kind of the

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the matriarch figure a couple of kids

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and one of them went out in the back at

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one point and he came running in the

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house he had seen there's a little

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creature that was kind of faintly

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glowing behind the house everyone

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thought he was just pulling a prank and

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turned out like the rest of the night

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they had this I mean kind of to

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hyperbolized them a little bit like they

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had a battle that night with these

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creatures because they approached the

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house freaked everyone out you know the

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guys grabbed their guns they ran outside

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they took some shots at him they were up

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in the trees they were up on the roof so

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I think they fired like a couple of

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shots at him through the night they saw

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the bullets just bounce off of them they

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ran off a couple hours later they came

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back the family drove over to nearby

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Hopkinsville and caught the cops

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involved and then the following days it

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was just a media circus about what

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happened and there's tons of theories

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about it you know that some circus

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animal escaped from a passing circus

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like just it's it's a fascinating case

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because as you know you'll see what the

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hell your story like this guy David's

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original emails have some consistent

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similarities with that and it it's

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Kentucky you know the spin of the

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backbone oh but the Hopkins little piece

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it's it's interesting there's a couple

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primary sources you know when the news

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media shows up the next morning and the

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cops are there taking pictures there's

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there's definitely some good

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documentation about it

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my sister two half-brothers their lives

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and the friend and his wife that's about

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it

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besides my mother no he just said around

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you know talk he played cards my hat

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brothers friend Taylor and he had to go

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out you know we didn't have no way

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inside restrooms back then and as he was

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going out the door he looked up and he

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noticed this round object had lights all

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around it and she was just laying awake

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with her eyes open looking out the

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living room window and I saw this little

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awesome sobs extending there she

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screamed you know little creatures three

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foot tall

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well feet Webb ears big eyes hands were

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well shaped like they were sewer has

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several uniforms no no us no sound no

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talking there was this there I don't

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know why everybody got roused up started

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hollering and screaming just he was

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going outside one of them grabbing him

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by the hair of the head and then he

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jumped on out in the yard and you know

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shot at him they wasn't trying to hurt

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nobody

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they wasn't they wasn't trying to hurt a

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soul I think that was more spirit of us

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and we were at him no but I was I was

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really scared

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just hanging out trailer but a lot of it

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nowadays when you look at like the

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Center for UFO studies like right up

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about it and you look at what Geraldine

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Sutton's death has written about it

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she's one of the descendants of the

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family members there a lot of it is in

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hindsight you know a lot of its looking

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back and that's something that we have

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to juggle a lot is UFO paranormal

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researchers is just kind of trying to

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weigh stuff that's like just

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retrospective taking people's words for

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looking for consistencies kind of

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research that's a good point Karl I mean

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for for someone like a supernatural or

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paranormal investigator there's a lot of

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opportunity during your investigation

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too to like really tap into something as

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it's happening you know living in that

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moment of a of a case whereas with UFOs

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it's it's hard for us because usually it

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happens it's gone in the blink of an eye

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and we're left with very little to

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investigate so I mean when those two

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worlds sort of collided for you guys I

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was super excited to know that we might

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be dealing with UFOs you might be

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dealing with some sort of cryptid weird

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creature monster or something super now

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it's got everything everything you guys

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experienced it's just like a melting pot

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of just weird weird which we will

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get to but definitely know thank you for

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that good good explanation of the

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Hopkins fellow Goblin case it's one I I

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always bring up is like one of those

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super rich stories of highly close

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encounter and a family that reported it

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but never really wanted the publicity

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that came with it which which you know

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it's problem in our field is a lot of

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people come forward or just honestly

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make stuff up because they want to get

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noticed but as far as I know that a

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Sutton family they they moved away after

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this am I correct in that because they

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just they couldn't take the the amount

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of media attention yeah they kind of be

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kind of scattered I mean because it was

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kind of an extended family that was

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there that night a lot of them trouble

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for work and the head some of them had

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other

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with family members and stuff so they

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kind of just kind of split as best they

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could after that because of the

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attention I think it was a

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Geraldine's dad I think who was there

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involved in the incident um

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lucky like I think like he wouldn't even

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talk about it further like the rest of

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his life like like it was such a bad

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experience for them but you're right I

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mean basically anything whether it's

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connected with Holly or anything else

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the first question we're constantly

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asking is is this for publicity and I

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mean sometimes it's tough when when it

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does go south that doesn't mean it

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wasn't done for publicity you know and

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then they just kind of realized after

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the fact like oh shoot that wasn't quite

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what we wanted but at a certain point

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you know if it was you're getting

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attention there's media that there's

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people there you know like set up a sign

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and sell some stuff whatever the

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Hopkinsville case really just doesn't

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feel like that at all everything you

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read about it it was like a normal

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family that had an experience and was

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put out by it in a way but they did not

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enjoy sort of the the small details and

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the the more weird it is the more I'm

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willing to accept it you know it's not

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so prototypical and that's kind of what

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you guys came across as well so I kind

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of want to start with with episode one

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I've seen the first two episodes episode

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one the midnight children this is sort

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of our introduction to you and your your

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focal points in terms of investigators

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and how this all came to be I remember

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when we first spoke that was like days

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within starting this project and I knew

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you were talking to Greg and Dana

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Newkirk fellow colleagues of mine as

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well and before we even get to Helier

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with you tell us how you first got

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involved with Greg and Dana about this

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weird string of events that kind of led

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to your documentary series if you if you

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don't mind

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my-my prologue with the story with Greg

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and Dana was that I met them in 2016 I

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think when we were wrapping up at the

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Stanley Hotel they had eliminated the

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paranormal investigations at that point

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and there was kind of one final

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scheduled paranormal event which was

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strange escapes of a thing you're

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burning up there that weekend

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and Greg and Dana were up there it was

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the first time I met them I'd heard a

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little bit about them obviously there's

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public figures and they're good friends

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with John Tenney and I tend to hang out

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with him at those events so via him met

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Greg and Dana we hit it off really well

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that weekend amongst all the busyness

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and we kept in touch but it was it was

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months later actually just probably a

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couple weeks later that Dana wrote up a

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really nice blog entry about all these

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indie paranormal projects people should

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check out and she included my spirits of

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this family web series on the list but

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she also included an episode of Jim

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Perry's you ferment podcast on there as

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well and I know you know Jim loved that

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show exactly it's great so I went to

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listen to that one so I kind of was

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checking out everything on the list

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but I didn't have a chance to really dig

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into the episode past the first minute

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or two and months later I went back to

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it and was like oh yeah I need to listen

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to this episode so I start digging in

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and it's of course the Helier the

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kentucky goblins episode and halfway

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through I mean I'm just sucked into this

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story I'm so absorbed so I ironically as

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I'm sucked in and absorbed I posit to go

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tell the internet about it

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as we do so I blast it out in Greg

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writes back and he's all like you know

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this Jim does a great job with the

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podcast is all him and just like a

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minute later his weakened weird planet

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weird account tweets out the link to the

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Kentucky goblins story to which I think

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is just great kind of utilizing my

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mention about it to blast it out to

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everyone else and remind them about the

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story and he's like no I didn't I didn't

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send that out that was our account auto

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posting our old blog entries and

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articles of which there are seventeen

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hundred plus in the archives that it

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could have Auto hosted but there's only

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two that are about the Kentucky goblins

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case the Helier case and so just the

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fact that I should randomly be listening

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to that episode months after it was

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recorded that this account should Auto

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post right is on there on Twitter

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talking about it mid loosening in the

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episode just a nod to that really felt

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significant they really kind of blew me

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over so

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I never really had a synchronicity like

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that

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I felt was particularly I don't know you

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know like like dictating or intelligent

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like I've never had one that's connected

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to anything like that

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but the next two weeks after that I was

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just having tons of these

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synchronicities and then they started to

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kind of quiet down

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but little did I know as I finished the

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episode the whole story and Adamic

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listening like they wanted to go back to

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this town this place and do more

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research so those after that that I

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started feeling a little bit connected

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to the case but my filmmaker side you

486
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know looking for the next project

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wanting to be involved in a cool project

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being friends with Greg and Dana I

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started hounding him a little bit on

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wanting to go back and it took about a

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year because I think there was some

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reluctance for him and Dana to go back

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at that point they wanted to time it

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well because they're super busy and and

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they know this case well enough that if

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they dig into it it's gonna consume them

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for a little while and as we got it put

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together our schedules aligned somehow

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miraculously cuz that's we're learning

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now is much harder to do that it sounds

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as we try to do more work and so we just

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hopped in the car and we went out there

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to uh to follow up the next step did you

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have any preconceived notions about this

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whole sort of goblin sighting report

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thing and and how did that how did you

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really decide to tackle this whole thing

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as a documentary did you have like a

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certain style you wanted to evoke or was

510
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it just sort of stumbling along the way

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making those discoveries I would assume

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it's owned a lot of everything yeah it

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really is whether that's the content of

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the case or the documentary itself it's

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a lot of everything on all sides

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you know approaching at all I I've read

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keel and I've read valley you know so

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valley of course with that sort of like

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pluralistic concept of all of these

520
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things being kind of connected like he's

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very resistant towards the idea of the

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UFO phenomena and the UFO occupant

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question he's reluctant to jump to the

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conclusion that they're from outside of

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our planet and he was the one that did a

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lot of interesting research connecting

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it to all of the old folklore

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legends and stuff like the Fae and you

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know these little creatures like goblins

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connecting to the the UFO phenomena so I

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have always been kind of taken from his

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work with the idea that if we're talking

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about UFOs or aliens that there might be

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a connection there two of these stories

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of goblins so and David - you know he's

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talking about these things coming out of

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mines on his property in his original

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emails and he says he believes they're

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extraterrestrial

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which is a bit of a leap which is

541
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interesting - even here in his original

542
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emails because he didn't say they were

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coming from UFOs so the fact that he's

544
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already made that connection is

545
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interesting it's not telling but yeah so

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I came in very open-minded I came in

547
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:48,330
very intrigued after reading Kiel I

548
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,700
always wanted kind of a big story

549
00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:52,860
you know a rich exciting story like

550
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,390
whether that's a flat barrier just a

551
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,400
highly highly strange story with a lot

552
00:23:01,100 --> 00:22:59,280
of facets and this felt like it so I you

553
00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:01,110
know with a little self interest I was

554
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,060
excited to try to engage in this case

555
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,280
from a personal element and have some

556
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:08,640
weird experiences in my life so I did

557
00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:10,650
bring a bit of a bias in terms of an

558
00:23:16,340 --> 00:23:13,800
eagerness for being high strange and

559
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:16,350
paranormal I wanted to do more

560
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:17,730
documentary work and I felt like this

561
00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:20,010
was a good project to document so when

562
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,990
we drove out there we had no idea what

563
00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:23,280
it was gonna be we didn't know if we

564
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:26,670
were gonna shoot a sizzle reel if we're

565
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:28,350
gonna shoot like a short documentary

566
00:23:33,670 --> 00:23:30,150
like a 40-minute talk about the

567
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,680
backstory we wanted to go down to town

568
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:35,820
but we had no idea of anything would

569
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:37,380
happen there you know if nothing

570
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:40,200
happened you know we come back home and

571
00:23:43,670 --> 00:23:42,300
try to figure out how long this thing's

572
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:43,680
gonna be do we release this is a feature

573
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:47,720
sure the sizzle what we do and it just

574
00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:50,310
wound up growing through the whole trip

575
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:51,990
there was enough weirdness and subtle

576
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:55,050
weirdness to that we wanted to take

577
00:23:59,660 --> 00:23:57,720
people along on that first journey

578
00:24:01,700 --> 00:23:59,670
rather than just kind of retell it beat

579
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,710
by beat which obviously could have taken

580
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:04,320
two hours easy but it's it became about

581
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:05,820
the journey and especially in today's

582
00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:08,190
kind of paranormal media world it's

583
00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:09,990
either like you know a night of ghost

584
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:14,160
hunting or a documentary style just kind

585
00:24:16,810 --> 00:24:15,170
of talking heads

586
00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:16,820
telling old stories and ideas and

587
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,060
there's not it's tough to make research

588
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:22,880
sexy right you know like hey check it

589
00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:24,410
out you know people are go to the

590
00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:25,820
library let's make a whole show about

591
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:28,700
this right like I get it you know so

592
00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:29,780
that was that was kind of one of my

593
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:34,070
goals as as a filmmaker was to take

594
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:36,650
people along on actual research side of

595
00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:39,410
it but make that exciting and luckily

596
00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:42,440
the case did its own part too

597
00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:45,320
and it provided us some some new

598
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:48,620
connections and new leads that are very

599
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:50,510
interesting and I think very telling

600
00:24:55,270 --> 00:24:53,030
that make the benefits of that research

601
00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:55,280
fun so we got our own kind of story of

602
00:25:02,500 --> 00:24:59,210
beats from the research side too so yeah

603
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:02,510
a high concept kind of like content wise

604
00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:04,130
that was one of the things that I was

605
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:08,140
going with the documentary in hindsight

606
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:10,550
stylistically I mean I wanted it to look

607
00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:13,190
cinematic as possible I'm I'm a consumer

608
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:16,760
of a lot of TV and movies these days and

609
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:18,860
I always want to continue my interaction

610
00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:23,050
with those things by creating myself and

611
00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:25,280
some of my favorite stuff just have that

612
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:28,220
cinematic quality I watch a lot of

613
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:29,750
scripted shows and I wanted to bring

614
00:25:33,370 --> 00:25:31,370
that into the documentary world by

615
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:33,380
shooting running gun but giving it that

616
00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:35,690
DeLand flavor as much as I could with

617
00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:39,380
basically zero budget and not having

618
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:41,900
worked in Hollywood before so those two

619
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:44,510
limitations working against me I wanted

620
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:46,610
to go out there and make it as cinematic

621
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:48,710
as possible and bring some flavors to it

622
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:51,050
that I hadn't seen in tons of

623
00:25:54,670 --> 00:25:53,090
documentaries let alone paranormal

624
00:25:57,610 --> 00:25:54,680
television at all so I wanted an

625
00:26:00,610 --> 00:25:57,620
anamorphic feel one of those cool 80s

626
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:00,620
Syfy flares that you haven't seen on

627
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:02,510
paranormal shows because the actual

628
00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:04,280
anamorphic lenses are like super super

629
00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:06,230
expensive stuff like that like I just

630
00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:08,300
wanted it to have this like creepy

631
00:26:14,170 --> 00:26:11,960
cinematic feel that if I did my job

632
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,180
right kind of throws the audience into a

633
00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:16,400
bit of a state of messing with their

634
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:18,280
heads where it kind of looks at times

635
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:22,610
like it's a movie but it's also real

636
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:24,950
life and I wanted to kind of blend those

637
00:26:28,899 --> 00:26:26,450
two things together where everything's

638
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:28,909
honest everything's legit but

639
00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:31,190
it feels like you're being taken into a

640
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:34,460
world of cinema which which is an

641
00:26:38,619 --> 00:26:36,470
interesting line to walk in and I hope

642
00:26:41,409 --> 00:26:38,629
you kind of achieved that you never know

643
00:26:44,229 --> 00:26:41,419
what to expect next and you bring up a

644
00:26:46,869 --> 00:26:44,239
good point with valet and this whole

645
00:26:49,629 --> 00:26:46,879
idea of like the controlled mechanism

646
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:49,639
that this sort of case and or phenomena

647
00:26:54,669 --> 00:26:52,580
was kind of working with you guys like

648
00:26:56,739 --> 00:26:54,679
leading you at some points it was you

649
00:26:58,719 --> 00:26:56,749
were leading them and it was like you

650
00:27:00,969 --> 00:26:58,729
were working in tandem with what you

651
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:00,979
were actually out there to try to

652
00:27:05,769 --> 00:27:03,590
uncover like that yeah they were telling

653
00:27:08,489 --> 00:27:05,779
your story while you were telling theirs

654
00:27:10,899 --> 00:27:08,499
and I found that very fascinating this

655
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:10,909
even in the first two episodes you guys

656
00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:12,950
just there were so many different terms

657
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:16,190
and like in leads and you know I kind of

658
00:27:20,379 --> 00:27:18,529
want to backtrack to David for a second

659
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:20,389
here yes for anyone who may not have

660
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:22,070
seen any of this yet and know what these

661
00:27:28,659 --> 00:27:24,950
emails actually were and why this all

662
00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:28,669
came to be yeah yeah this weird cryptic

663
00:27:34,269 --> 00:27:32,179
very both cryptic but also very

664
00:27:36,099 --> 00:27:34,279
articulate string of emails started to

665
00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:36,109
come to Greg and Dana from this this

666
00:27:42,249 --> 00:27:39,080
dude named David am I correct yeah so

667
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:42,259
the the original going back to it in

668
00:27:48,339 --> 00:27:46,369
2012 create new Kurt he gets a string of

669
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,349
emails from this guy who's claiming to

670
00:27:53,739 --> 00:27:50,720
be kind of terrorized and visited by

671
00:27:55,719 --> 00:27:53,749
these creatures that he believes are

672
00:27:57,879 --> 00:27:55,729
coming out of mine shaft on the back of

673
00:28:01,869 --> 00:27:57,889
his property he's in rural Eastern

674
00:28:06,489 --> 00:28:01,879
Kentucky kind of near the border and he

675
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:06,499
like by night his daughter is seeing

676
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:09,950
these creatures out behind the house and

677
00:28:12,879 --> 00:28:11,690
she's very bothered by them they're

678
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,889
interested in her and they're like

679
00:28:16,299 --> 00:28:14,960
tapping on her windows and stuff in the

680
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:16,309
night David

681
00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:18,169
the father is seeing evidence of this

682
00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:20,419
stuff by his yard being in disarray the

683
00:28:25,529 --> 00:28:23,539
next morning so he finally sees these

684
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:25,539
things and starts trying to install

685
00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:29,840
motion-activated floodlights and that

686
00:28:33,489 --> 00:28:31,700
works for a time but then they come back

687
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,499
and his family doesn't know what to do

688
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:35,200
so they're reaching out to great because

689
00:28:42,259 --> 00:28:39,769
they got his name and contact info from

690
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:42,269
this guy that a friend knows

691
00:28:47,329 --> 00:28:44,849
Terry wrists clearly a made-up name

692
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,339
super elusive mysterious character there

693
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:49,200
who comes back into it later

694
00:28:54,139 --> 00:28:52,289
and basically once Greg and Dana to come

695
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:54,149
and blow up the mine and he's like you

696
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,769
can film or do whatever you want but

697
00:29:00,440 --> 00:28:57,059
like I just want to be done with this

698
00:29:01,489 --> 00:29:00,450
but great can't get there because Dana's

699
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:01,499
Canadian and they're going through

700
00:29:06,739 --> 00:29:03,839
immigration to bring her to the States

701
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:06,749
so they can't get away and they wind up

702
00:29:11,239 --> 00:29:09,450
David winds up fleeing the house but in

703
00:29:12,979 --> 00:29:11,249
that time like I mean he sent pictures

704
00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:12,989
of the footprints that he was flying

705
00:29:16,869 --> 00:29:15,029
about this property sent pictures of the

706
00:29:19,099 --> 00:29:16,879
alleged creatures he was seeing

707
00:29:22,069 --> 00:29:19,109
basically just enough to get great super

708
00:29:24,019 --> 00:29:22,079
hooks before he disappeared and never

709
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:24,029
reflected Greg ever again and then the

710
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:26,369
case just gets bigger and later after

711
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:28,169
that where you think that would be the

712
00:29:33,199 --> 00:29:30,299
last note the final note on it as a

713
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,209
random anecdote it only got stranger

714
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:35,940
yeah I did I mean the fact that this guy

715
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,089
had evidence to show Greg that is what

716
00:29:44,779 --> 00:29:41,399
we all dream for whenever someone comes

717
00:29:47,449 --> 00:29:44,789
to me with a UFO sighting or encounter

718
00:29:50,629 --> 00:29:47,459
claim like I'm like cool do you have a

719
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,639
photo do you have corroborating witness

720
00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:52,440
do you you know what can you show me

721
00:29:57,199 --> 00:29:54,899
that's gonna prompt me to actually go

722
00:30:00,739 --> 00:29:57,209
investigate this or or tell your story

723
00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:00,749
so I think it was really really telling

724
00:30:05,749 --> 00:30:02,700
that there were actually photos there

725
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,759
were footprints and all these other

726
00:30:11,449 --> 00:30:08,399
other really interesting things you know

727
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,459
testimony from the daughter even who it

728
00:30:16,819 --> 00:30:13,320
was strikingly similar what she was

729
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:16,829
drawing and what she was seeing to the

730
00:30:21,229 --> 00:30:19,289
greys or even the Hopkinsville goblins

731
00:30:23,659 --> 00:30:21,239
like it was all there like this whole

732
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:23,669
big weird soup was starting to a

733
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:27,089
starting to boil over and eventually you

734
00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:30,299
know you guys were able to go to the

735
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:33,209
house that was presumably David's is

736
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:34,919
that correct what did this excursion

737
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:38,039
eventually lead you all to to do Greg

738
00:30:42,199 --> 00:30:39,389
and Dana when they finally moved to

739
00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:42,209
Cincinnati they were nearby to Helier

740
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:44,549
and so they took their first trip there

741
00:30:50,419 --> 00:30:48,450
in 2015 so about three years after they

742
00:30:53,209 --> 00:30:50,429
got the emails they were finally able to

743
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:53,219
kind of check out the town that you know

744
00:30:55,409 --> 00:30:54,690
the story had kind of kept coming back

745
00:30:57,449 --> 00:30:55,419
into their life

746
00:30:59,310 --> 00:30:57,459
they were like we'll go check it out and

747
00:31:00,719 --> 00:30:59,320
in that during that visit they drove

748
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,729
around just kind of seeing if they could

749
00:31:04,349 --> 00:31:02,320
find a house that might fit the

750
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:04,359
description David gave and they saw

751
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:05,499
along the side of the road that like

752
00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:07,809
they got really excited about that felt

753
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:20,460
that's but look it's abandoned it looks

754
00:31:24,539 --> 00:31:23,080
like exercise equipment on it looks like

755
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:24,549
it's been abandoned for like three years

756
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,809
there's a basketball net back there

757
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,240
that's where kids would be old

758
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,880
Christmas lights still up yeah there's a

759
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:31,600
shed

760
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:37,179
is kind of weird cuz having been there

761
00:31:43,529 --> 00:31:40,809
now when we went back we were trying to

762
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:43,539
find that house that they saw or another

763
00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:45,130
house that might fit the description and

764
00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:48,669
we found there were just smiles and

765
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:51,669
miles miles of back roads that people's

766
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:53,529
houses were along and half of them are

767
00:31:58,649 --> 00:31:56,470
like abandoned and half of a map shed so

768
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,659
as you saw in the second episode like

769
00:32:01,889 --> 00:32:00,100
that was a real problem we were running

770
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:01,899
into was a there's tons of houses that

771
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:04,870
kind of fit but we couldn't find a house

772
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:08,200
that was similar to we couldn't find the

773
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:09,730
one that Greg and Dana saw originally

774
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:11,950
this was well extraneous that's a little

775
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:13,990
bit of a confusing point in the doc

776
00:32:19,289 --> 00:32:16,750
because we didn't know that that footage

777
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:19,299
of the house existed until after we came

778
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:22,840
back from the expedition so the linear

779
00:32:26,370 --> 00:32:24,580
narrative that everyone watches it with

780
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:26,380
is a little misleading why we couldn't

781
00:32:31,289 --> 00:32:29,710
find it later but we struggled with that

782
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,299
part where it was very hard to find that

783
00:32:36,629 --> 00:32:33,279
house they felt they found the first

784
00:32:39,419 --> 00:32:36,639
time that first whatever reason on a gut

785
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:39,429
level really resonated with them which

786
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:41,740
was interesting and will be interesting

787
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:44,710
even past season one why that might have

788
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:48,159
happened so the the quest for the house

789
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:51,130
was one of the first things the first

790
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:52,450
kind of tangible things that we were

791
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:54,340
like let's go out and try to find this

792
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,230
house that you guys saw is it still

793
00:32:59,759 --> 00:32:57,760
there you know is there any other houses

794
00:33:02,250 --> 00:32:59,769
but yeah

795
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,260
there's a lot more than just like 20

796
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:04,720
houses that constitute that area it's

797
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:06,730
there's a lot of stuff over those woods

798
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:09,610
yeah and I mean what what I'm sort of

799
00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:11,980
trying to get across to people who are

800
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:14,500
going to see this too is that like it's

801
00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:16,510
not just finding the house it's finding

802
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:20,260
David no one in Helier seems to really

803
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:24,010
know of this guy or like ever heard of

804
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:27,370
him which becomes a huge part of both

805
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:28,990
the first you know the end of the first

806
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:29,890
episode and

807
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:31,960
second episode is even finding this

808
00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:33,910
individual one of the most tangible

809
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:36,280
things about the whole case and going on

810
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:38,020
an expedition there is trying to find

811
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:41,740
any evidence that this person David from

812
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:47,080
these emails existed in that area how

813
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:49,270
you doing pretty good

814
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:50,440
was one of you guys might be able to

815
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:53,230
help us out a little bit we're in town

816
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,090
we're paranormal investigators and we

817
00:33:59,490 --> 00:33:56,559
were called to town because there was a

818
00:34:01,680 --> 00:33:59,500
guy from around Helier who said that he

819
00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:01,690
was fine a strange footprints and they

820
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:03,070
were coming out of an old cave for a

821
00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:04,330
mine shaft or something on the edge of

822
00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:15,419
what do you send all these photographs

823
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,020
of these strange things and then one day

824
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:20,980
you got property you can to help you out

825
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:24,369
of his property he didn't give us an

826
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:25,780
address we can get that far ice

827
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:27,190
exchanged a whole bunch of emails with

828
00:34:29,490 --> 00:34:28,450
them and then one day he just kind of up

829
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:29,500
and left and then all kind of other

830
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:31,080
weird stuff yeah you just sent us

831
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:34,540
pictures of like what looked like

832
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:38,169
three-toed footprints in a great bed

833
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:44,950
sort of oh it was like a mine or a cave

834
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:46,750
or something like that some kind of

835
00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:48,940
entrance and I know this place is just

836
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:51,429
filled with that stuff yeah that was

837
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:53,169
something that we could actually take

838
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:56,080
steps to learn about and see if there

839
00:34:59,940 --> 00:34:57,369
was anything that would support or

840
00:35:02,609 --> 00:34:59,950
dispute that before we even got to the

841
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:02,619
question of aliens the first question

842
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:05,560
was whether this guy was even real yeah

843
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:08,050
yeah so I mean that kind of propels us

844
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:10,660
into Episode two the ink and black I

845
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:14,170
love the title which is amazing yeah the

846
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:16,750
reason this stood out to you is pretty

847
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:19,030
mind-blowing the ink and black order to

848
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:21,340
that but before we get to that this is

849
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:23,320
the part of the investigation where

850
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:25,930
Connor Rendell comes into play so can

851
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,670
you sort of let us know who Connor is

852
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:29,820
and what role he played in all of this

853
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,330
yeah

854
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:33,520
Connor Randall is he's one of my best

855
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:35,260
friends we met up at the Stanley Hotel

856
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:37,750
he was acting as a tour guide there on

857
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:39,310
the property at that point and he was

858
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:41,010
working with one of the

859
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:44,340
taps affiliate teams out in Denver doing

860
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,380
ghost hunts for presences and stuff like

861
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:49,140
that so eventually as time went on he

862
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:51,630
became one of the resident paranormal

863
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:53,490
investigators alongside myself at the

864
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:56,070
hotel and just became great friends you

865
00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:57,440
know up there every weekend together

866
00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:01,470
he's a brilliant researcher he's one of

867
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,100
those people that is perfectly happy to

868
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:06,480
crack the books about anything and

869
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:07,770
everything we related to this paranormal

870
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:10,770
stuff and try to actually learn whether

871
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:13,050
it's the science behind the tools that

872
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:15,150
we're using or whether it's the next

873
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,030
book on high strangeness which as you

874
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,000
know when you meet people like that like

875
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:23,220
they kind of click with you because

876
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:24,420
there's a lot of people they just want

877
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:27,540
to go out and be on TV without a camera

878
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:29,010
you know what I mean like just go look

879
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:31,170
for ghosts or whatever which is fine you

880
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,330
know go experience go have fun but as a

881
00:36:38,359 --> 00:36:36,240
researcher myself is someone who likes

882
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:38,369
the concepts behind everything the

883
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:40,260
theories there's so much good stuff in

884
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,550
these books when you find other people

885
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,859
like that you instantly kind of know a

886
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,119
kindred spirit

887
00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:48,300
so we yeah we just we've just gone back

888
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,800
a long ways he was on spirits of the

889
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:52,290
Stanly about our investigations of the

890
00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:55,710
hotel there and then so when I decided

891
00:37:00,500 --> 00:36:58,470
to go out towards Hellyer I had a buddy

892
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:00,510
Rashad who works kind of in the film

893
00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:02,970
industry out in Denver and he does some

894
00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:06,600
camerawork and photography so managed to

895
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:08,580
get him on board to come out to help me

896
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,070
film it because I was gonna be directing

897
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:13,680
and filming but also on camera so I was

898
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:15,810
kind of I recognized early that I'd be

899
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,330
spreading myself a little thin so I

900
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:20,220
needed somebody else to hold a second

901
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,900
camera and I wanted somebody else to

902
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:24,359
kind of be namely like kind of pick up

903
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:27,630
my slack on the investigation side when

904
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:29,430
I'm holding a camera so Connor was kind

905
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:32,190
of like jack-of-all-trades but also like

906
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:35,190
he can help with the stuff investigating

907
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,220
researching boots on the ground that

908
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,900
sometimes I couldn't and he wound up

909
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,820
becoming just an integral part of the

910
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:43,740
team you know now now we can't do it

911
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:46,710
without him so he was a came out as a

912
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:49,290
helper and friend and turned into a core

913
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,060
team member on the hook

914
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:54,000
if these goblins that we're looking for

915
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,300
or other beings are here in this

916
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:00,300
community you would expect that they

917
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,030
would know that we're here and so why

918
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:04,980
not go out and investigate in right at

919
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:06,330
the place we were staying and we were in

920
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:09,360
town we were in the area and the woods

921
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:13,710
were right there so let's go see yeah I

922
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:16,620
mean he kind of propelled what I assume

923
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:20,400
is going to be a whole new ball field in

924
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:23,430
Episode three you and Connor you start

925
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:26,940
making these discoveries separately from

926
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:28,950
Greg and Dana which was really cool too

927
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:31,410
like you said like you're not only the

928
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:33,570
filmmaker you're an investigator on this

929
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,350
so when you start to become a part of it

930
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:40,020
and have your own theories it's good to

931
00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:41,160
know that there are other people around

932
00:38:45,830 --> 00:38:43,350
there to capture that for you so you can

933
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,840
sort of live in that moment and one of

934
00:38:50,570 --> 00:38:47,700
the big ones came in the form of a book

935
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:50,580
by Allen Greenfield who I have a crazy

936
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:56,610
story about as well so what is that book

937
00:39:01,810 --> 00:38:59,010
Carlin what connections did he find to

938
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:01,820
you the case you were investigating so

939
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:04,710
Terry wrist he's this enigmatic figure

940
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:07,230
that David named checks in his email

941
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:09,210
David says he's got a friend that's into

942
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:10,980
this stuff he talked to his friend about

943
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:12,420
it his friend said I can't help but I

944
00:39:17,570 --> 00:39:13,770
know somebody who might be able to help

945
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:17,580
his friend was named David's friends

946
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:20,280
connection was named Terry our wrists

947
00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:23,070
terry wrists which when you see in text

948
00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:26,070
is a name when you verbalize it is

949
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:27,600
pretty clearly a play on the word

950
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:29,570
terrorist it's a pseudonym right and

951
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:31,650
apparently it's that Terry wrist figure

952
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:34,470
that passes along Gregg's name to David

953
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:36,210
which was super weird at that time

954
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:39,030
because Craig was a ghost hunter they

955
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:41,160
were putting together at that point if

956
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,130
not in the midst of just starting up

957
00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:46,260
there who forded website which was like

958
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:48,600
a satirical paranormal website at that

959
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,810
point because greediness started as kids

960
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,280
really into it and then they kind of

961
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:54,960
went to the like satirical side making

962
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,270
fun of everything and then they you know

963
00:40:02,090 --> 00:39:59,700
kind of grew back up into the research

964
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,100
of it you know we're all kids and and

965
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:04,440
David reaches out through Greg's old

966
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,770
high

967
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:07,440
school irreverent goes hunting website

968
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:09,210
so just all this weird stuff like who's

969
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:11,070
Terry risk that's like even offering

970
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,450
these guys to help when they're just

971
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:14,640
like some goofball ragtag teenage

972
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,090
paranormal team the super odd so anyways

973
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:20,640
the only connection great could find to

974
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:22,890
terry wrists was by reading a google

975
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:23,400
search

976
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,490
he found an interview with a terry

977
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:28,920
wrists in the back of a 1994 book by

978
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:30,870
alan greenfield called secret cipher and

979
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:34,020
the youth nuts which was all about these

980
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:38,430
the connections between UFOs and like

981
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:41,820
magic and like old channeling spirits

982
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,580
all kind of very valley in kind of some

983
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:46,800
of those connections but apparently his

984
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:48,450
his thesis was that they communicate

985
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:51,690
through these coded messages and that

986
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:54,090
via some of the work of Aleister Crowley

987
00:40:58,940 --> 00:40:56,430
and a lot of magicians since they

988
00:41:01,280 --> 00:40:58,950
cracked this code and his whole book it

989
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:01,290
is about how to crack the code and Terry

990
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:02,760
wrists at the end of it is being

991
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,340
interviewed and he talks about how he

992
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:07,980
got on at one point and infiltrated an

993
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:10,650
underground alien cave base with a bunch

994
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:14,310
of Vietnam vets back in the 80s or the

995
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:17,100
70s some time and that connected with

996
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:19,980
that underground sort of theory that

997
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:21,750
Grady Nina and I've been operating after

998
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:23,730
this Helier case and that was kind of

999
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:26,220
their only connection well like a year

1000
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:29,070
later they get an email very cryptic and

1001
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,860
spooky from this Terry wrist figure they

1002
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:33,540
can't tell from the first one if it's

1003
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:35,940
fake or not just like a troll but by the

1004
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:37,380
second one it seems like there's some

1005
00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:41,370
actual info that this like any any faker

1006
00:41:45,830 --> 00:41:43,620
any troll should not have known so the

1007
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,840
terrorist side kind of took the place

1008
00:41:49,850 --> 00:41:47,820
once David disappeared the terrorist

1009
00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:49,860
stuff instantly kind of threw the whole

1010
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:52,280
thing into this bigger weirdly

1011
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:54,810
conspiracy cryptic figure bigger

1012
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,360
implications kind of mythos and it was

1013
00:42:01,700 --> 00:41:59,760
in the second episode that we kind of

1014
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:01,710
utilized that book to make a bigger

1015
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,360
connection that Greg and Dana had

1016
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:06,060
noticed before yeah and I mean the

1017
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:07,880
minute I heard Alan Greenfields name

1018
00:42:12,259 --> 00:42:10,350
mentioned and then the book title I got

1019
00:42:14,929 --> 00:42:12,269
chills because

1020
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:14,939
for those who don't know like Greenfield

1021
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:17,099
is he's pretty well-known in the UFO

1022
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:21,359
circles but he's very fringe very

1023
00:42:27,289 --> 00:42:24,119
out-there very like trying to come up

1024
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:27,299
with new theories and so early on in the

1025
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:29,249
the early days of somewhere in the skies

1026
00:42:33,739 --> 00:42:30,689
I wanted to get him on I wanted to

1027
00:42:36,529 --> 00:42:33,749
really start with they're really out

1028
00:42:38,749 --> 00:42:36,539
there stuff so I reached out to him

1029
00:42:41,449 --> 00:42:38,759
about a week later he got back to me he

1030
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:41,459
said awesome let's do it I'll send you a

1031
00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:44,329
book and go through it and then we'll

1032
00:42:50,709 --> 00:42:47,909
we'll go from there so week goes by a

1033
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:50,719
month goes by two months goes by and

1034
00:42:57,439 --> 00:42:54,119
nothing nothing and I'm like oh I'll

1035
00:43:00,019 --> 00:42:57,449
send him another email see what happens

1036
00:43:03,379 --> 00:43:00,029
and I didn't get anything back from him

1037
00:43:05,419 --> 00:43:03,389
email wise but finally that an envelope

1038
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:05,429
showed up in my mailbox looked all

1039
00:43:11,929 --> 00:43:09,209
beaten up and everything and I saw his

1040
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:11,939
address on there oh my god finally like

1041
00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:15,269
I could do this interview so I get the

1042
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,239
book out and it looks cool covers

1043
00:43:22,369 --> 00:43:21,119
awesome and I'm just ready to devour it

1044
00:43:24,799 --> 00:43:22,379
and I don't think I've ever told this

1045
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:24,809
story on the show I go to like the first

1046
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:27,689
couple pages and I notice that the way

1047
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:31,619
the book was printed the text was like

1048
00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:35,249
very diagonal and just shooting off of

1049
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:38,759
the page so clearly it was printed wrong

1050
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:42,119
and Ellen hadn't realized that before he

1051
00:43:46,429 --> 00:43:44,249
sent it so I couldn't read half of the

1052
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,439
text that was on the page I thought oh

1053
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,599
maybe it was like the first page no the

1054
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,359
entire book was like printed one way

1055
00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:53,339
diagonally another page was printed the

1056
00:43:56,929 --> 00:43:55,229
other way so I'm like how how is that

1057
00:44:00,049 --> 00:43:56,939
even possible like my dad's in the

1058
00:44:01,669 --> 00:44:00,059
breeding industry I know like if you're

1059
00:44:03,319 --> 00:44:01,679
if you're printing and binding the book

1060
00:44:05,179 --> 00:44:03,329
it's all gonna like be going the same

1061
00:44:07,189 --> 00:44:05,189
way but what I found even more

1062
00:44:10,549 --> 00:44:07,199
interesting about is the there were

1063
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:10,559
things in that text that were scribbled

1064
00:44:17,059 --> 00:44:14,129
over or like blacked out and I'm just

1065
00:44:19,909 --> 00:44:17,069
like what is what is going on here like

1066
00:44:21,979 --> 00:44:19,919
did he do this on purpose was this like

1067
00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:21,989
some weird marketing ploy that he was

1068
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:25,860
doing like ah the real books on its way

1069
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:29,760
so I I laughed about it at the time and

1070
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:33,570
I took some photos of it and I went back

1071
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:35,250
to my email and I sent him photos I'm

1072
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:37,550
like hey red what's going on with this

1073
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:41,070
didn't hear from him since and I forgot

1074
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:43,590
to interview him so I don't know what

1075
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,360
that is all about I've reached out to

1076
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,030
him on social networks I'm not saying

1077
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:50,700
it's some grand conspiracy but something

1078
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:54,060
weird definitely happened it took two

1079
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:55,740
and a half months for him to get it to

1080
00:44:59,780 --> 00:44:57,360
me and then for it to show up in that

1081
00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:59,790
condition I don't know I don't know what

1082
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:01,410
to make of all that but when was it a

1083
00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:04,650
secret cypher yes it was yeah of course

1084
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,870
of course it was so well curious know

1085
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:08,940
about like stuff being scribbled out and

1086
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:11,220
what because you know of course we've

1087
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,430
been poring over that book such as kind

1088
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,500
of interesting is like what miserable

1089
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:18,240
doubt is just weird because you know if

1090
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,710
it came from the printers you know

1091
00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:21,420
you're gonna know that it's a misprint

1092
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:23,340
long before you scribble stuff out

1093
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,750
before you send it to somebody so that

1094
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:26,850
that feels unusual that there's like an

1095
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:28,530
actual human interaction with this

1096
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,590
misprint text oh yeah in like I at first

1097
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:33,690
there's like maybe it's like embedded

1098
00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:35,310
into the printing maybe this is like a

1099
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:37,620
cool way that he wanted it to be to be

1100
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,290
read or seen visually but um you know

1101
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,240
the closer I looked like it looked like

1102
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:45,420
actual pen ink so I don't know I don't

1103
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:47,250
know what to make of all of it but I

1104
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:49,350
would love to cross-reference like what

1105
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:53,730
what was scratched out and redacted with

1106
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,530
you guys so I will definitely get those

1107
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,540
photos over to you might post them on

1108
00:46:03,020 --> 00:45:59,760
the on the Facebook page or something -

1109
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:03,030
I still have the book thank you

1110
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:05,100
so we'll dig deeper into that but yeah I

1111
00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:07,890
was very intrigued when that whole

1112
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:12,360
aspect of all of this came about yes so

1113
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:14,130
it was cool to see that the connections

1114
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:15,540
that would eventually make with Greg and

1115
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Dana so you guys you start digging and

1116
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:21,570
Hellyer's start talking to locals and

1117
00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:23,330
talking to everyone about things they've

1118
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,820
experienced and it's not easy first of

1119
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,500
all they get anyone to talk but second

1120
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:31,260
to actually find anyone who's a heard of

1121
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:35,370
David or be like seeing something so

1122
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:38,430
what was that this is where it really

1123
00:46:40,819 --> 00:46:39,210
rang true from

1124
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:40,829
the reality aspect of this whole

1125
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,020
documentary is those dead ends you come

1126
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,420
across so what was that frustration like

1127
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:47,460
that despair sort of creeping in that

1128
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,950
you were hitting every dead-end it you

1129
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:52,800
seemed to hit in this in the first two

1130
00:46:57,020 --> 00:46:54,930
episodes so as a director filmmaker

1131
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:57,030
where was her headspace during all that

1132
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,500
I mean at that point it was kind of all

1133
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,420
over the place because you know I'd

1134
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,520
heard the story from Greg on the podcast

1135
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:04,020
that the first time they went to hell

1136
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,780
here they stopped in it one of these gas

1137
00:47:09,799 --> 00:47:08,280
stations was in town was kind of a

1138
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:09,809
central hub of the town and they just

1139
00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:10,980
had people start coming out of the

1140
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:12,599
woodwork with stories about different

1141
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:15,150
levels of weirdness and UFO was a

1142
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:18,180
Bigfoot cross in the road and so we were

1143
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:21,030
all kind of expecting you know as much

1144
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,490
as we could keeping open minds that when

1145
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:25,800
we went back to Helier we'd post up at

1146
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,390
that gas station and people would be

1147
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,700
like oh yeah you know like I'd have more

1148
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:31,920
stories of that that we would shoot and

1149
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:33,180
we just didn't have that that first

1150
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:36,210
night now granted my headspace of course

1151
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,180
like I'm an introvert you know I I don't

1152
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:40,559
like to call too much attention to

1153
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,569
myself but here we are we post up at

1154
00:47:47,799 --> 00:47:45,440
that gas station it's like there's five

1155
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:47,809
non-locals hanging out and it's like

1156
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,859
kind of sketchy also rural area just

1157
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,720
like basically everything short of

1158
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,579
having a sign posted that said tell us

1159
00:48:00,920 --> 00:47:58,559
your weird story there was a lot of

1160
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,930
suspicion directed at us and we were

1161
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:02,700
trying to mask our own suspicions

1162
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:04,890
directed at others and you know it was

1163
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:07,740
just awkward just human awkward of being

1164
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:10,619
in a new place so I was kind of hanging

1165
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,450
back our cameraman was shot he was

1166
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,980
shooting the whole thing with like a

1167
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:16,559
tiny little camera that's you know

1168
00:48:21,339 --> 00:48:17,940
obviously was not calling too much

1169
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,349
attention to to what we were doing and

1170
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,720
we popped in to the gas station a couple

1171
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:27,119
of times started some conversations a

1172
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,460
couple of people came by but like that

1173
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:31,200
whole feeling of just like oh yeah you

1174
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:33,270
know like if someone had a story great

1175
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:34,950
if they didn't have a story that usually

1176
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,510
knew someone that was into this who had

1177
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,920
a story because that's how it spread the

1178
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,000
first time everyone started calling

1179
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:42,000
people this time everyone's like now I

1180
00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:43,950
mean I'd love to help but I don't really

1181
00:48:48,289 --> 00:48:45,869
know any weirdness like there was just

1182
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:48,299
nothing that first night so that was

1183
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:51,390
intriguing I think the more you get into

1184
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:52,280
research

1185
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:54,170
you know putting aside my own filmmaking

1186
00:48:57,250 --> 00:48:55,970
tendencies more you get into research

1187
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:57,260
you're kind of used to the fact that

1188
00:49:01,690 --> 00:48:59,660
sometimes this phenomena is on and

1189
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,700
sometimes it's off and to me that's

1190
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:03,200
always you know the Stanley Hotel taught

1191
00:49:06,849 --> 00:49:04,430
me that like there's plenty of off

1192
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,859
nights that it's always made it more

1193
00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:08,510
interesting to me when there's off

1194
00:49:13,809 --> 00:49:11,030
nights because if we're looking at

1195
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:13,819
something that you know doesn't exist or

1196
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:15,740
she's kind of out there like you're

1197
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:18,140
gonna for the most part any random

1198
00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:20,450
sampling is gonna kind of give you the

1199
00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:22,849
same amount of like false leads right

1200
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:24,200
you know you're gonna go talk to people

1201
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,210
and they're gonna have the same amount

1202
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:29,359
of like not true stories as any other

1203
00:49:33,819 --> 00:49:31,010
people you talk to at any other time in

1204
00:49:35,289 --> 00:49:33,829
the same place even but the fact that

1205
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:35,299
sometimes people have a ton of stories

1206
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,950
and sometimes people won't to me is the

1207
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:38,960
same ways like a normal sampling of

1208
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,170
people on a ghost hunt has a great night

1209
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:44,000
and then another night a normal sampling

1210
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:45,380
of people don't it's just kind of like

1211
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:47,930
that difference that makes me inclined

1212
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:49,130
to believe that something was actually

1213
00:49:53,049 --> 00:49:51,140
happening so that was interesting I mean

1214
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,059
it's in and of itself that like it was

1215
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:55,760
different but it did sort of also set

1216
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,500
the tone of like well shoot this is

1217
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,839
different now is this still a flap area

1218
00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:01,760
is there still something happened are we

1219
00:50:06,099 --> 00:50:04,339
gonna experience when we're here you

1220
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:06,109
know there was some concern as just

1221
00:50:11,289 --> 00:50:08,540
someone who wanted it to be exciting and

1222
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:11,299
crazy and weird you know so there was a

1223
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:13,130
change there was a difference when we

1224
00:50:16,809 --> 00:50:15,170
had gotten there and that sort of idea

1225
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:16,819
of likely dead end

1226
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:20,470
that theme winds up being a really

1227
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:22,910
recurring theme throughout the the first

1228
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:25,250
season even but I mean dead ends lead to

1229
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:28,940
like new explorations to which I was so

1230
00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:31,880
happy to see like not happy to see you

1231
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:34,790
guys frustrated earthly feeling somewhat

1232
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:37,400
defeated but that's what sets

1233
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:39,500
I think this apart from many documentary

1234
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:43,839
series or reality television is it's not

1235
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:47,930
we don't have an edited filtered version

1236
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:50,150
of the most exciting moments like we're

1237
00:50:55,059 --> 00:50:52,910
gonna see you guys in true investigative

1238
00:50:57,849 --> 00:50:55,069
form and there are some shitty days man

1239
00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:57,859
I have been there yeah sure but what I

1240
00:51:04,349 --> 00:51:00,410
really respected is by the end of

1241
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:04,359
episode two you guys make your own

1242
00:51:07,059 --> 00:51:05,450
exploration

1243
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:07,069
you're not done just because you can't

1244
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,240
find David just because you're not

1245
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:10,700
finding maybe the case reports you had

1246
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,700
hoped for or sightings or testimony like

1247
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:16,160
you're not done with Helier clearly by a

1248
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:20,210
longshot and you guys decide to to start

1249
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:23,150
to explore so we have the four of us

1250
00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:24,650
that are there and we're extremely

1251
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:32,680
focused on content whatever was I

1252
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:34,390
expected it

1253
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:45,930
and Connor was really a big catalyst for

1254
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:47,770
that too is to get you guys out there

1255
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,030
and look at these caves again like I

1256
00:51:56,579 --> 00:51:53,680
know that's probably gonna play a big

1257
00:51:59,819 --> 00:51:56,589
part into this all too so could you

1258
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,829
maybe hint to us a little about what

1259
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:02,800
comes next in Helier after episode two

1260
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:04,990
and where this series might be heading

1261
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:09,250
absolutely yeah basically from all the

1262
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,930
early research and everything we knew

1263
00:52:17,309 --> 00:52:13,359
about the area was that this phenomena

1264
00:52:20,099 --> 00:52:17,319
was seemingly bigger than David and his

1265
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:20,109
mineshaft it seemed like this was a

1266
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:23,260
phenomena that stretched hundreds of

1267
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:24,970
miles between Eastern and Western

1268
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:26,770
Kentucky but also up through the

1269
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:29,890
Appalachians and that's a cave system

1270
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:31,630
that's one of the the biggest in the

1271
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:33,670
world is the mammoth cave system under

1272
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:37,359
Kentucky and the area of Hellyer itself

1273
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,470
at least from two years before seemed to

1274
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:44,079
be a real kind of hotbed of high

1275
00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:46,150
strangeness and paranormal activity that

1276
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:47,560
could have been a flat area in general

1277
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:49,210
meanwhile we're having all these

1278
00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:52,510
connections to the Mothman Prophecies as

1279
00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:55,240
a we sort of hinted at earlier so it had

1280
00:53:00,180 --> 00:52:58,030
the scope and scale and almost

1281
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:00,190
intelligence to it that seemed kind of

1282
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,950
aware of us and because of that scope

1283
00:53:06,990 --> 00:53:04,960
and scale in a supernatural and a

1284
00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:07,000
physical sense we were like you know

1285
00:53:10,349 --> 00:53:08,920
what that first one at the end of

1286
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:10,359
episode two we were like you know what

1287
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:12,550
let's just like there's forest and

1288
00:53:17,339 --> 00:53:14,230
wilderness all around this cabin we're

1289
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:17,349
staying at let's go and try to make

1290
00:53:22,859 --> 00:53:19,150
contact if there is some sort of like

1291
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:22,869
broader nature to the phenomena we're

1292
00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:25,750
trying to get in touch with maybe it's

1293
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:27,460
right here right now and we can just

1294
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:29,380
reach out so our first one was kind of

1295
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:31,569
like a local safe dabbling to try to

1296
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:35,050
make contact with this and yeah they

1297
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:36,400
might be these little creatures that are

1298
00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:38,410
coming out of caves but because of the

1299
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:40,660
bigger nature you get tons of UFO

1300
00:53:43,859 --> 00:53:42,460
stories as you know that have a psychic

1301
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:43,869
element that's actually one of the

1302
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,950
recurring themes of yeah you for not you

1303
00:53:53,550 --> 00:53:51,040
know contact like alien communication

1304
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:53,560
it's like there's a very recurring theme

1305
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:54,460
of

1306
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,450
telepathy and we don't know with the way

1307
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:00,640
that these UFOs blink in and out of

1308
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:03,099
reality these men in black things like

1309
00:54:07,529 --> 00:54:05,380
as you get to the bigger scope of this

1310
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:07,539
stuff there's a sort of intangibility

1311
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,410
aspect that made us wonder can we kind

1312
00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:13,559
of apply some coaxed hunting techniques

1313
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:17,109
that we've been using to these entities

1314
00:54:22,049 --> 00:54:19,450
somehow like could we communicate that

1315
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:22,059
way so that's where you kind of see the

1316
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,770
next episode the third episode will take

1317
00:54:27,539 --> 00:54:25,119
off with that first kind of

1318
00:54:29,069 --> 00:54:27,549
investigation that for a lot of

1319
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:29,079
intensive purposes kind of looks like a

1320
00:54:34,529 --> 00:54:32,890
ghost on in some ways outside and we're

1321
00:54:37,049 --> 00:54:34,539
basically trying to make contact on a

1322
00:54:40,349 --> 00:54:37,059
more spiritual level with these possible

1323
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,359
entities and we get some pretty weird

1324
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:43,359
stuff from that yeah and that's also not

1325
00:54:48,329 --> 00:54:45,400
the only investigation we do there in

1326
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:48,339
the season that provide us with a lot of

1327
00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:51,640
little bits and pieces that start to

1328
00:54:57,029 --> 00:54:55,059
apply later on that really kind of

1329
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:57,039
scramble our brains in terms of what was

1330
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:00,670
happening there I am so excited guys

1331
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:02,230
they're bridging the gaps between all

1332
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:05,020
these these fields and camps and that's

1333
00:55:11,609 --> 00:55:08,890
it seems to be that the this phenomena I

1334
00:55:14,029 --> 00:55:11,619
want to say is leading you down all

1335
00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:14,039
these different approaches and

1336
00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:16,779
explorations and whether it's all

1337
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:19,059
controlled and they are you know

1338
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,980
bringing you guys along for the ride or

1339
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:23,200
and you're bringing them along I can't

1340
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:26,440
wait I'm both terrified and excited I'm

1341
00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:28,210
not gonna lie to see what you discovered

1342
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:30,760
and halyard uh but I know you know our

1343
00:55:36,029 --> 00:55:32,950
journey as an audience it's really only

1344
00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:36,039
begun as I'm sure yours as a filmmaker

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beyond has only begun so where can we

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find out more about what you're up to

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and where can we find Hellyer so at this

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point Helier the hub lepellier is going

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to be at Hellyer TV that's the main

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website we released all these episodes

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for free and we try to make them as

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easily accessible for everyone as

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possible so if you're on a browser or if

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you are on your smartphone Hellyer TV

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you can watch all the episodes there if

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you'd like to

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download the episodes and stream to your

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TV you can download them all there if

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you're interested in just streaming off

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the Internet to your TV there on prime

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video if you have an Amazon Prime

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account they are on YouTube and Vimeo so

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you can watch the full series at this

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point when this is airing it is all

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released you're able to watch it anytime

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you like and if you're interested in

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following that any further I'm Carl

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Pfeifer comm is where you can find more

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about me and my work and if you liked it

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you know let us know and let your

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friends know and we're already working

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on more but we want to make it as good

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as possible and be able to do to exhaust

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this case as fully as we can and that

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that's gonna happen as best we can

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anyways but it's gonna happen a little

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smoother with the audience support if

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everyone enjoys it so I hope they like

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it

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absolutely man I don't know how they

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couldn't live tweeting the rest of the

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episodes after episode 2 so that's gonna

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be super fun bringing people along for

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my journey into this terrifying story

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but I'm so excited to see what happens

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so Carl thank you so much for joining me

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again on somewhere in the skies that's

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it for this week's episode again you can

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stream Helier for free right now

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on Amazon crime YouTube Vimeo and at

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Helier Duck TV and be sure to check out

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all the work that Greg and Dana are up

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to at weird hq.com once again please

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for personal UFO stories for an upcoming

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had a UFO sighting or encounter and

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for listening remember keep your feet on

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the ground but never stop searching

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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Entertainment one podcast calm hi

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everybody I'm Chris I'm Nick

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and we're the host of the two dumb dads

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podcasts a show about two dads trying to

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work our way through parents are we

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doing a show or a podcast it's a podcast

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show about parenting yeah it's the same

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thing

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he has my wife's mouth we talk about

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everything from how do you find a

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babysitter I'm going to I don't know

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00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:47,260
like I'm gonna stalk you for a week

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00:59:50,279 --> 00:59:48,819
before I let you babysit my kids who

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will mac-and-cheese kill your kid I've

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gotten to the point now where just

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spring a little bit of mac and

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cheese on the hot dog like I'm sold

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you can find us at our website you don't

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Dez calm you can find us at our Facebook

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course anywhere that podcast can be